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	<title>Comments on: The Sustainable Future is a Collective-Use Future</title>
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	<description>Take no prisoners</description>
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		<title>By: DDog</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2009/08/03/collective-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1440</link>
		<dc:creator>DDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a bike co-op in Baltimore called Velocipede ( http://velocipedebikeproject.org/ ) that does similar things as your Bike Kitchen. They either sell you a finished bike, or help you build your own in return for donating time to the collective, plus repairs. Everyone learns something, passes on the knowledge, and gets a bike out of the deal.

You&#039;ve either mentioned this general concept before or I&#039;ve discussed it somewhere else. But I agree. I wouldn&#039;t like to go without owning my own computer (although since I use it every day it falls within your once-a-week heuristic), but I could do it, given sufficient external hard drives, a &lt;a href=&quot;http://getdropbox.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DropBox&lt;/a&gt; account, and access to a library or university; this semester I&#039;ve weaned myself off dragging my laptop to class every day, since being on the computer distracts me from class so &quot;taking notes&quot; is basically a scam, and for anything else I need during the day I can use one of the university-owned desktops set up in nearly-vast numbers in mostly-convenient locations around campus.

I don&#039;t need to own a sewing machine if I can borrow one, or share it with some crafty neighbors/friends. I know students who have shared &quot;family pack&quot;-priced software within dorm rooms, apartments, or study groups. My girlfriend wants a KitchenAid and can&#039;t afford one; but I&#039;m sure if we started some kind of informal cooking collective with friends to share the cost and use of one combined with group homemade meals, we&#039;d be able to do it easily. Some polyamorous families that share living space and incomes basically function as their own collective as well, especially if extended relationship networks are taken into account; if your live-in-lover&#039;s live-out-boyfriend&#039;s wife has that fancy drill you need to put together a porch, you don&#039;t have to buy one yourself for one project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a bike co-op in Baltimore called Velocipede ( <a href="http://velocipedebikeproject.org/" rel="nofollow">http://velocipedebikeproject.org/</a> ) that does similar things as your Bike Kitchen. They either sell you a finished bike, or help you build your own in return for donating time to the collective, plus repairs. Everyone learns something, passes on the knowledge, and gets a bike out of the deal.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve either mentioned this general concept before or I&#8217;ve discussed it somewhere else. But I agree. I wouldn&#8217;t like to go without owning my own computer (although since I use it every day it falls within your once-a-week heuristic), but I could do it, given sufficient external hard drives, a <a href="http://getdropbox.com/" rel="nofollow">DropBox</a> account, and access to a library or university; this semester I&#8217;ve weaned myself off dragging my laptop to class every day, since being on the computer distracts me from class so &#8220;taking notes&#8221; is basically a scam, and for anything else I need during the day I can use one of the university-owned desktops set up in nearly-vast numbers in mostly-convenient locations around campus.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need to own a sewing machine if I can borrow one, or share it with some crafty neighbors/friends. I know students who have shared &#8220;family pack&#8221;-priced software within dorm rooms, apartments, or study groups. My girlfriend wants a KitchenAid and can&#8217;t afford one; but I&#8217;m sure if we started some kind of informal cooking collective with friends to share the cost and use of one combined with group homemade meals, we&#8217;d be able to do it easily. Some polyamorous families that share living space and incomes basically function as their own collective as well, especially if extended relationship networks are taken into account; if your live-in-lover&#8217;s live-out-boyfriend&#8217;s wife has that fancy drill you need to put together a porch, you don&#8217;t have to buy one yourself for one project.</p>
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		<title>By: Kavan Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2009/08/03/collective-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator>Kavan Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aiden, thanks. Yes, it&#039;s better for the consumer, environment, infrastructure provider and society as a whole. But it&#039;s not better for the corporations that make the &quot;el-cheapo versions&quot;. So we can expect some resistance.

@Rick, I appreciate your excitement. What is your area? You&#039;re correct - collective use reduces consumption, so all these idiots who think that increasing consumption for consumption&#039;s own sake will attack collective use as some kind of hippie socialist B.S. The fact is, we live in a world with many finite resources, so constantly increasing consumption of those resources is obviously self-destructive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aiden, thanks. Yes, it&#8217;s better for the consumer, environment, infrastructure provider and society as a whole. But it&#8217;s not better for the corporations that make the &#8220;el-cheapo versions&#8221;. So we can expect some resistance.</p>
<p>@Rick, I appreciate your excitement. What is your area? You&#8217;re correct &#8211; collective use reduces consumption, so all these idiots who think that increasing consumption for consumption&#8217;s own sake will attack collective use as some kind of hippie socialist B.S. The fact is, we live in a world with many finite resources, so constantly increasing consumption of those resources is obviously self-destructive.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2009/08/03/collective-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, I read the rest and this has to get done(at least in my area)!

What about the people who produce these products? Maybe not so good for them(at least not directly).?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, I read the rest and this has to get done(at least in my area)!</p>
<p>What about the people who produce these products? Maybe not so good for them(at least not directly).?!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2009/08/03/collective-use/comment-page-1/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kavan @ Aiden - Wholly shit! I&#039;ve only read the first 5 paragraphs and I had to stop and leave a comment(lol)! This is such a great idea for my area. The possibilities are endless (food precessors, tents for parties, boat motors...). Hell yeah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kavan @ Aiden &#8211; Wholly shit! I&#8217;ve only read the first 5 paragraphs and I had to stop and leave a comment(lol)! This is such a great idea for my area. The possibilities are endless (food precessors, tents for parties, boat motors&#8230;). Hell yeah!</p>
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		<title>By: Aiden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Kavan! Actually, this issue is close to my heart as an Industrial Design student. I&#039;ve always thought a public &#039;workshop&#039; like the ones we have at University would be a great idea - users pay to use equiptment like band saws and drill presses, meaning they don&#039;t have to buy their own, and we cut down on our overall use of these tools. Surely it&#039;s cheaper, and better, to have access to and use a high-quality tool, rather than an el-cheapo version you might use twice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Kavan! Actually, this issue is close to my heart as an Industrial Design student. I&#8217;ve always thought a public &#8216;workshop&#8217; like the ones we have at University would be a great idea &#8211; users pay to use equiptment like band saws and drill presses, meaning they don&#8217;t have to buy their own, and we cut down on our overall use of these tools. Surely it&#8217;s cheaper, and better, to have access to and use a high-quality tool, rather than an el-cheapo version you might use twice?</p>
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