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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/04/10/dont_arm_college_kids/#comment-2119</link>
		<author>Rick</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-08-15-gun-toting-teachers_N.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.<br />
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-08-15-gun-toting-teachers_N.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-08-15-gun-toting-teachers_N.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/04/10/dont_arm_college_kids/#comment-2056</link>
		<author>Rick</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops!
"It made for an entertaining read during during my lunch break, and that, if I’m not mistaken is the whole point."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!<br />
&#8220;It made for an entertaining read during during my lunch break, and that, if I’m not mistaken is the whole point.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/04/10/dont_arm_college_kids/#comment-2054</link>
		<author>Rick</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/04/10/dont_arm_college_kids/#comment-2054</guid>
		<description>That's good shit.
@Riley - I respectfully disagree with your stance; however, I don't see any reason to contribute to this pissing contest, especially with a new one in the works. I did however want to say thanks for your time and effort. It made for an entertaining read during during my lunch break, and that it, if I'm not mistaken is the whole point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s good shit.<br />
@Riley - I respectfully disagree with your stance; however, I don&#8217;t see any reason to contribute to this pissing contest, especially with a new one in the works. I did however want to say thanks for your time and effort. It made for an entertaining read during during my lunch break, and that it, if I&#8217;m not mistaken is the whole point.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Burton</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/04/10/dont_arm_college_kids/#comment-1206</link>
		<author>Jack Burton</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/04/10/dont_arm_college_kids/#comment-1206</guid>
		<description>"Riley is a lost cause. "

Mostly... but I post for the readers. When they actually get a chance to see the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of a gun-bigot up close it is amazing how often they realize that they really don't want to stand with a loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Riley is a lost cause. &#8221;</p>
<p>Mostly&#8230; but I post for the readers. When they actually get a chance to see the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of a gun-bigot up close it is amazing how often they realize that they really don&#8217;t want to stand with a loser.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Burton</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/04/10/dont_arm_college_kids/#comment-1205</link>
		<author>Jack Burton</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/04/10/dont_arm_college_kids/#comment-1205</guid>
		<description>"You ask what makes someone with a badge different from anyone else. I would ask the same about a CCW holder."

Hows many strangers standing next to you, or even your friends if you want to count them, do you KNOW have been thru an extensive background check of both local and national databases and have been officially declared a "good guy" by the powers invested in the state?

Every single CCW holder has.

It's elementary statistics. If you select a group of 100 people on the basis that they are 6 ft and over, you are going to have a group of people that are much taller on average than the average person selected at random.

If you select a group of 100 people on the basis that they are 300 pounds and over, you are going to have a group of people that are much heavier on average than the average person selected at random.

And if you select a group of 10,000,000 people on the basis that they are, and always have been, exceptionally law abiding citizens you are going to have a group of people that are much more law abiding on average than the average group selected at random.

 They are just as likely as anyone else to go on a rampage'

You have ~any~ cites for that? No.... of course not. It is pure emotional response with not an ounce of intellect behind it.

I hope you don't spend much time in Las Vegas if you're willing to bet such a poor hand.

Florida, the first state to pass the new wave of CCW laws about 30 years ago keeps a very close view on those same people. Their experience over the past years: Crime rates involving CCW holders has held steady at about 0.02 percent.

Now, that's any kind of crime including cheating on income taxes, which has nothing to do with a gun.

And 0.02 percent translates out to 2 people out of ten thousand. Not exactly the crime wave you are concerned about, eh?

Actually, out of the half million or so that Florida has issued they have cancelled 109. Virgina has issued about 50,000 and have cancelled none. Arizona has issued about 63,000 and has cancelled none. Of course, since those reports came out they may have cancelled a few, but everyone gets the picture.

In Oregon only 4 people out of 14,000 (0.03 percent) have been convicted of a crime with a gun. In Texas out of a quarter million CCW holders only 100 have been found guilty of a felony (not even necessarily with a gun). Again, that is only 1 people out of every 2500 CCW holders.

And in a column by Stephen Chapman of the Chicago Tribune he wrote:

Indiana, which has about 350,000 permit holders, canceled 921 last year, or about one-fourth of 1 percent of the total. Maj. Karen Butts, commander of the records division of the state police, says, "I can't think of any that were revoked for a firearms homicide." Among Utah's 40,000 licensees, only five have lost their privileges because of a conviction for murder or attempted murder. 


BTW... all this can be found in the free download Gun Facts at http://www.gunfacts.info.

If you're truely interested in getting the facts instead of hysterical info this is the place to go.


"and quite a few of the CCW holders I personally know are paranoid rednecks ready to fly off the handle."

Oh, really? And just how many people have they ~actually~ killed? Or do you just ~think~ they are going to "fly off the handle" -- the very same way you ~think~ CCW holders in general are going to start shooting up pizza parlors over girls?

"I don’t see your massive amount of compelling evidence. "

You don't "see" it in the sense that you have tightly shut your eyes, your fingers are in your ears, and you're yelling 'neener, neener" as loudly as you can in the hopes of drowning out the voices of experience and reality.

If YOU'RE right... we should have dead bodies laying everywhere from being shot by CCW holders every single day. Where are they? 

"Basic logic tells me, however, that more guns will make campuses less safe. "

You have not made a "logical" statement yet. All emotion. All feelings. 

If YOU'RE right... we should have dead bodies laying everywhere from being shot by CCW holders every single day. Where are they? 

"Guns are a tool designed to KILL people, not DEFEND people."

And I can tell you're going to have real deep trouble with this website that has thousands of stories of everyday people successfully DEFENDING themselves with a gun...

http://claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html

And please tell us just why you think cops carry guns?

" If these bills were proposing we give all college kids a bullet-proof vest it might make sense - that is a tool designed to defend oneself."

Nothing stopping YOU from buying a wearing a bullet resistant (not "proof") vest... but why do you think you should assume God like powers and make the best choice for EVERYONE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You ask what makes someone with a badge different from anyone else. I would ask the same about a CCW holder.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hows many strangers standing next to you, or even your friends if you want to count them, do you KNOW have been thru an extensive background check of both local and national databases and have been officially declared a &#8220;good guy&#8221; by the powers invested in the state?</p>
<p>Every single CCW holder has.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s elementary statistics. If you select a group of 100 people on the basis that they are 6 ft and over, you are going to have a group of people that are much taller on average than the average person selected at random.</p>
<p>If you select a group of 100 people on the basis that they are 300 pounds and over, you are going to have a group of people that are much heavier on average than the average person selected at random.</p>
<p>And if you select a group of 10,000,000 people on the basis that they are, and always have been, exceptionally law abiding citizens you are going to have a group of people that are much more law abiding on average than the average group selected at random.</p>
<p> They are just as likely as anyone else to go on a rampage&#8217;</p>
<p>You have ~any~ cites for that? No&#8230;. of course not. It is pure emotional response with not an ounce of intellect behind it.</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t spend much time in Las Vegas if you&#8217;re willing to bet such a poor hand.</p>
<p>Florida, the first state to pass the new wave of CCW laws about 30 years ago keeps a very close view on those same people. Their experience over the past years: Crime rates involving CCW holders has held steady at about 0.02 percent.</p>
<p>Now, that&#8217;s any kind of crime including cheating on income taxes, which has nothing to do with a gun.</p>
<p>And 0.02 percent translates out to 2 people out of ten thousand. Not exactly the crime wave you are concerned about, eh?</p>
<p>Actually, out of the half million or so that Florida has issued they have cancelled 109. Virgina has issued about 50,000 and have cancelled none. Arizona has issued about 63,000 and has cancelled none. Of course, since those reports came out they may have cancelled a few, but everyone gets the picture.</p>
<p>In Oregon only 4 people out of 14,000 (0.03 percent) have been convicted of a crime with a gun. In Texas out of a quarter million CCW holders only 100 have been found guilty of a felony (not even necessarily with a gun). Again, that is only 1 people out of every 2500 CCW holders.</p>
<p>And in a column by Stephen Chapman of the Chicago Tribune he wrote:</p>
<p>Indiana, which has about 350,000 permit holders, canceled 921 last year, or about one-fourth of 1 percent of the total. Maj. Karen Butts, commander of the records division of the state police, says, &#8220;I can&#8217;t think of any that were revoked for a firearms homicide.&#8221; Among Utah&#8217;s 40,000 licensees, only five have lost their privileges because of a conviction for murder or attempted murder. </p>
<p>BTW&#8230; all this can be found in the free download Gun Facts at <a href="http://www.gunfacts.info." rel="nofollow">http://www.gunfacts.info.</a></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re truely interested in getting the facts instead of hysterical info this is the place to go.</p>
<p>&#8220;and quite a few of the CCW holders I personally know are paranoid rednecks ready to fly off the handle.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, really? And just how many people have they ~actually~ killed? Or do you just ~think~ they are going to &#8220;fly off the handle&#8221; &#8212; the very same way you ~think~ CCW holders in general are going to start shooting up pizza parlors over girls?</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t see your massive amount of compelling evidence. &#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t &#8220;see&#8221; it in the sense that you have tightly shut your eyes, your fingers are in your ears, and you&#8217;re yelling &#8216;neener, neener&#8221; as loudly as you can in the hopes of drowning out the voices of experience and reality.</p>
<p>If YOU&#8217;RE right&#8230; we should have dead bodies laying everywhere from being shot by CCW holders every single day. Where are they? </p>
<p>&#8220;Basic logic tells me, however, that more guns will make campuses less safe. &#8221;</p>
<p>You have not made a &#8220;logical&#8221; statement yet. All emotion. All feelings. </p>
<p>If YOU&#8217;RE right&#8230; we should have dead bodies laying everywhere from being shot by CCW holders every single day. Where are they? </p>
<p>&#8220;Guns are a tool designed to KILL people, not DEFEND people.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I can tell you&#8217;re going to have real deep trouble with this website that has thousands of stories of everyday people successfully DEFENDING themselves with a gun&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html" rel="nofollow">http://claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html</a></p>
<p>And please tell us just why you think cops carry guns?</p>
<p>&#8221; If these bills were proposing we give all college kids a bullet-proof vest it might make sense - that is a tool designed to defend oneself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing stopping YOU from buying a wearing a bullet resistant (not &#8220;proof&#8221;) vest&#8230; but why do you think you should assume God like powers and make the best choice for EVERYONE?</p>
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