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		<title>By: Kavan Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/03/23/stupid_laws/comment-page-1/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Kavan Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to everyone for the lively discussion.

@Batman, regarding the relationship between drinking and being drunk, you&#039;re messing up necessary and sufficient conditions. You have to drink to get drunk, but drinking does not necessarily lead to getting drunk. By your logic, buying axes should be illegal because axe murderers use them. Regarding voting age, I&#039;m suggesting we think about alternative criteria. Intelligence is one possibility, though not a very good one. Re: reasons behind laws, I agree that it seems like laws are written and voted on without much understanding.

@H, businesses are not democratic. The owner does not choose things with his/her employees, but chooses for them. That&#039;s why there are so few holidays.

@Publius, my point about the rocking chair was that when you share music, it&#039;s not stealing because, although you get the item for free, the person you &#039;took&#039; it from still has it. I&#039;ve explored this issue much more thoroughly in a serious of posts on the RIAA.

@osc, I agree that it&#039;s reasonable to restrict things that pose health hazards. However, there&#039;s no evidence that public nudity is any more dangerous than going shopping while having the flu or swimming in a public pool. At what level of danger do we make things illegal? Going nude does not increase your risk of malaria compared wearing a skimpy bathing suit. Since head lice seems unproblematic in our society, I suspect pubic lice would not pose much problem.

@Dave, these are brief illustrations intended to provoke a thoughtful response. They are not intended to be bulletproof arguments, like some of my previous posts. Sometimes it&#039;s more fun to let the arguments come out in the discussion, as has happened here. You&#039;re right, I have not researched the fundamental reason for jaywalking laws. Care to enlighten us? BTW: have I mentioned how helpful it is to have a cop for a reader when you write about law all the time? I appreciate your perspective, even when I disagree - no, ESPECIALLY when I disagree.

@Dude #2, it&#039;s ok to swear on my blog if it&#039;s how you feel, but try to be a little more coherent. This isolationist stuff is totally off topic.

@James, I don&#039;t know if you can infer much about government intentions from laws because the system of law making is an uncontrolled, ambiguous, poorly stuctured, amoral, dialectic boondoggle where nobody seems to have a fucking clue what&#039;s going on. More on this in a later post.

@Dave and H, I give cops a lot of shit in this blog because there&#039;s so much abuse of power out there, but this isn&#039;t an enforcement issue, it&#039;s a there&#039;s-too-many-stupid-laws issue. There&#039;s plenty of real crime going around to keep the police busy if we stopped wasting their time with all this piddly bullshit. For instance, in many parts of Canada, it&#039;s become  difficult to prosecute shoplifters because the police don&#039;t have time for it. Shoplifting is a genuine crime, unlike the items above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to everyone for the lively discussion.</p>
<p>@Batman, regarding the relationship between drinking and being drunk, you&#8217;re messing up necessary and sufficient conditions. You have to drink to get drunk, but drinking does not necessarily lead to getting drunk. By your logic, buying axes should be illegal because axe murderers use them. Regarding voting age, I&#8217;m suggesting we think about alternative criteria. Intelligence is one possibility, though not a very good one. Re: reasons behind laws, I agree that it seems like laws are written and voted on without much understanding.</p>
<p>@H, businesses are not democratic. The owner does not choose things with his/her employees, but chooses for them. That&#8217;s why there are so few holidays.</p>
<p>@Publius, my point about the rocking chair was that when you share music, it&#8217;s not stealing because, although you get the item for free, the person you &#8216;took&#8217; it from still has it. I&#8217;ve explored this issue much more thoroughly in a serious of posts on the RIAA.</p>
<p>@osc, I agree that it&#8217;s reasonable to restrict things that pose health hazards. However, there&#8217;s no evidence that public nudity is any more dangerous than going shopping while having the flu or swimming in a public pool. At what level of danger do we make things illegal? Going nude does not increase your risk of malaria compared wearing a skimpy bathing suit. Since head lice seems unproblematic in our society, I suspect pubic lice would not pose much problem.</p>
<p>@Dave, these are brief illustrations intended to provoke a thoughtful response. They are not intended to be bulletproof arguments, like some of my previous posts. Sometimes it&#8217;s more fun to let the arguments come out in the discussion, as has happened here. You&#8217;re right, I have not researched the fundamental reason for jaywalking laws. Care to enlighten us? BTW: have I mentioned how helpful it is to have a cop for a reader when you write about law all the time? I appreciate your perspective, even when I disagree &#8211; no, ESPECIALLY when I disagree.</p>
<p>@Dude #2, it&#8217;s ok to swear on my blog if it&#8217;s how you feel, but try to be a little more coherent. This isolationist stuff is totally off topic.</p>
<p>@James, I don&#8217;t know if you can infer much about government intentions from laws because the system of law making is an uncontrolled, ambiguous, poorly stuctured, amoral, dialectic boondoggle where nobody seems to have a fucking clue what&#8217;s going on. More on this in a later post.</p>
<p>@Dave and H, I give cops a lot of shit in this blog because there&#8217;s so much abuse of power out there, but this isn&#8217;t an enforcement issue, it&#8217;s a there&#8217;s-too-many-stupid-laws issue. There&#8217;s plenty of real crime going around to keep the police busy if we stopped wasting their time with all this piddly bullshit. For instance, in many parts of Canada, it&#8217;s become  difficult to prosecute shoplifters because the police don&#8217;t have time for it. Shoplifting is a genuine crime, unlike the items above.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2008/03/23/stupid_laws/comment-page-1/#comment-682</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ H

try being a cop, then come back and give us a report.</description>
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<p>try being a cop, then come back and give us a report.</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
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		<dc:creator>H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey james, we call footpaths &quot;sidewalks&quot; here. I&#039;m just kidding around. No offense :p

You&#039;re right though, a famous person (i forget the name) said something along the lines of &quot;The only power the government (police) have is against criminals. When society runs out of criminals, the government makes more. So many things become crimes it&#039;s impossible for people to live their lives without breaking some law.&quot;

So yes they are trying to justify their existence. Very few real crimes happen. So many cops would have no job if they were restricted to real crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey james, we call footpaths &#8220;sidewalks&#8221; here. I&#8217;m just kidding around. No offense :p</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right though, a famous person (i forget the name) said something along the lines of &#8220;The only power the government (police) have is against criminals. When society runs out of criminals, the government makes more. So many things become crimes it&#8217;s impossible for people to live their lives without breaking some law.&#8221;</p>
<p>So yes they are trying to justify their existence. Very few real crimes happen. So many cops would have no job if they were restricted to real crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, goddamn it, I&#039;m late seeing this, and I want to make a nice long comment, even though I&#039;m probably too late to say anything original. I&#039;m in the middle of essaying now but if I haven&#039;t commented in a few days&#039; time, poke me. Off topic, did Jeff tell you about how his talk went? I think I need to do that as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, goddamn it, I&#8217;m late seeing this, and I want to make a nice long comment, even though I&#8217;m probably too late to say anything original. I&#8217;m in the middle of essaying now but if I haven&#8217;t commented in a few days&#8217; time, poke me. Off topic, did Jeff tell you about how his talk went? I think I need to do that as well.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I just read some more of your site and found you think about food in a very similar way :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I just read some more of your site and found you think about food in a very similar way <img src='http://thewaronbullshit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I right in thinking your government doesn&#039;t trust you to cross the road? That&#039;s absolutely fucking ridiculous!! We have some pretty BS laws here in the UK, but that&#039;s mad. What about roads with no foot paths or lights? The conclusion I have reached after an awful lot of reading into the problems of resources and human diet (we&#039;re really being conned, fobbed off, and lied to there) is that a lot of people are employed in unnecessary jobs. Sounds like the police justifying their own existence to me, after all what other useful job might they actually do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I right in thinking your government doesn&#8217;t trust you to cross the road? That&#8217;s absolutely fucking ridiculous!! We have some pretty BS laws here in the UK, but that&#8217;s mad. What about roads with no foot paths or lights? The conclusion I have reached after an awful lot of reading into the problems of resources and human diet (we&#8217;re really being conned, fobbed off, and lied to there) is that a lot of people are employed in unnecessary jobs. Sounds like the police justifying their own existence to me, after all what other useful job might they actually do?</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@H
I was asleep during all of what I wrote.  What did I say?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@H<br />
I was asleep during all of what I wrote.  What did I say?</p>
<p>d.</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
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		<dc:creator>H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave&#039;s trying way too hard to sound smart.</description>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@H

What &quot;law is infallible&quot;?  There is one that is and it&#039;s not beyond your intellectual grasp; however, i think that you&#039;ll reject it (but you might surprise me).

@Batman

your definition of &quot;argument&quot; isn&#039;t quite what i had in mind; however, i can see how it would be &quot;ok&quot; in yours.

ARGUMENT:  a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion

Please find an argument in the 10 stupid laws...no arguments:  only conclusions.

let me help you a little.

PREMISE:  &quot;There is a jaywalking law.&quot;  (here, the premise is also a fact and is closely associated with the)
ASSERTION:  &quot;What possible usefulness or non-usefulness could such a law provide to the community and to the individual?&quot;
COHERENT SERIES OF STATEMENTS: (this is where you and others do the work of gathering evidence...facts, not supposition or drawing conclusions, etc...of usefulness and non-usefulness).  This often leads to the
DISCUSSION:  (this is where you and others compare and evaluate the evidence that you worked so hard gathering and is often confused with argument).  Now, you&#039;re ready to form your
CONCLUSION:  (all of the work that you did above must lead you, inevitably, to this place)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@H</p>
<p>What &#8220;law is infallible&#8221;?  There is one that is and it&#8217;s not beyond your intellectual grasp; however, i think that you&#8217;ll reject it (but you might surprise me).</p>
<p>@Batman</p>
<p>your definition of &#8220;argument&#8221; isn&#8217;t quite what i had in mind; however, i can see how it would be &#8220;ok&#8221; in yours.</p>
<p>ARGUMENT:  a coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion</p>
<p>Please find an argument in the 10 stupid laws&#8230;no arguments:  only conclusions.</p>
<p>let me help you a little.</p>
<p>PREMISE:  &#8220;There is a jaywalking law.&#8221;  (here, the premise is also a fact and is closely associated with the)<br />
ASSERTION:  &#8220;What possible usefulness or non-usefulness could such a law provide to the community and to the individual?&#8221;<br />
COHERENT SERIES OF STATEMENTS: (this is where you and others do the work of gathering evidence&#8230;facts, not supposition or drawing conclusions, etc&#8230;of usefulness and non-usefulness).  This often leads to the<br />
DISCUSSION:  (this is where you and others compare and evaluate the evidence that you worked so hard gathering and is often confused with argument).  Now, you&#8217;re ready to form your<br />
CONCLUSION:  (all of the work that you did above must lead you, inevitably, to this place)</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
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		<dc:creator>H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dave
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; jaywalking’s not about right/wrong; it’s against the law.

Way to miss the point completely.

The law is infallible, right? There&#039;s no such thing as an absurd or unjust law, right Mr. Professor?</description>
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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; jaywalking’s not about right/wrong; it’s against the law.</p>
<p>Way to miss the point completely.</p>
<p>The law is infallible, right? There&#8217;s no such thing as an absurd or unjust law, right Mr. Professor?</p>
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