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	<title>Comments on: 6 Reasons Experience is a Bogus Criterion</title>
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		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/29/experience/#comment-911</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education is a progressive discovery of our ignorance.</description>
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		<title>By: gallery photo sexy</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/29/experience/#comment-848</link>
		<author>gallery photo sexy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sound good, respect! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sound good, respect!<br />
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		<title>By: Kee</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/29/experience/#comment-847</link>
		<author>Kee</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, would be thrilled if I could get a job just on the strength of critical thinking, problem-solving skills, and programming knowledge.

However, what many employers may be looking for when they ask for "experience" is: 

a) a lower bound on age which they are not allowed to explicitly state per many employment non-discrimination policies. The likelihood of young people having employed experience in their field is directly related to their age (of course with some exceptions).

b) not field-related skills, but "having a job"-related skills; punctuality, respect for authority and deadlines, paradigm loyalty, etc. These are skills critical to most job environments that are not automatically conferred with academic knowledge or natural smarts. 

c) the amount of training in a similar company the person is likely to have received. School and/or independent study will only get you so far; the rest is socialization to the industry. It's possible to trade up skills and experience somewhat, but the needs of, for example, big business are much different than small business or entrepreneurship; principles carry through, but most employers prefer to have their employees tested thoroughly beforehand to avoid having to pay them for mistakes.


I will go ahead and say that a) is definitely bullshit because it is hypocritical.

However, when saying that experience is neither necessary nor sufficient for success, we need to make sure we define success in order for this analysis to be valuable. For many employers, b) and c) are more important than individual employee brilliance, in which case, experience does supply a reasonable correlation to success. Just not to talent or intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, would be thrilled if I could get a job just on the strength of critical thinking, problem-solving skills, and programming knowledge.</p>
<p>However, what many employers may be looking for when they ask for &#8220;experience&#8221; is: </p>
<p>a) a lower bound on age which they are not allowed to explicitly state per many employment non-discrimination policies. The likelihood of young people having employed experience in their field is directly related to their age (of course with some exceptions).</p>
<p>b) not field-related skills, but &#8220;having a job&#8221;-related skills; punctuality, respect for authority and deadlines, paradigm loyalty, etc. These are skills critical to most job environments that are not automatically conferred with academic knowledge or natural smarts. </p>
<p>c) the amount of training in a similar company the person is likely to have received. School and/or independent study will only get you so far; the rest is socialization to the industry. It&#8217;s possible to trade up skills and experience somewhat, but the needs of, for example, big business are much different than small business or entrepreneurship; principles carry through, but most employers prefer to have their employees tested thoroughly beforehand to avoid having to pay them for mistakes.</p>
<p>I will go ahead and say that a) is definitely bullshit because it is hypocritical.</p>
<p>However, when saying that experience is neither necessary nor sufficient for success, we need to make sure we define success in order for this analysis to be valuable. For many employers, b) and c) are more important than individual employee brilliance, in which case, experience does supply a reasonable correlation to success. Just not to talent or intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Sattin</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/29/experience/#comment-846</link>
		<author>Neil Sattin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know if it's an entirely bogus criterion, but I do think that most people, when asked, would put it low on their list.  While HR folks screen out "inexperienced" people, what most "bosses" want is someone who's personable, smart, eager, and a quick-study.  Those qualities are much higher on a CEO's list than "experience" - but unfortunately the CEO isn't usually the one doing the hiring.

I just wrote a blog post (coincidentally) about how to get a job with no experience.  I talk about a strategy for using that personal connection to get around the HR person's chopping block.  Let me know what you think!

http://www.neilsattin.com/blog/2007/10/personal-development-how-to-get-a-job-when-you-have-no-experience/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s an entirely bogus criterion, but I do think that most people, when asked, would put it low on their list.  While HR folks screen out &#8220;inexperienced&#8221; people, what most &#8220;bosses&#8221; want is someone who&#8217;s personable, smart, eager, and a quick-study.  Those qualities are much higher on a CEO&#8217;s list than &#8220;experience&#8221; - but unfortunately the CEO isn&#8217;t usually the one doing the hiring.</p>
<p>I just wrote a blog post (coincidentally) about how to get a job with no experience.  I talk about a strategy for using that personal connection to get around the HR person&#8217;s chopping block.  Let me know what you think!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.neilsattin.com/blog/2007/10/personal-development-how-to-get-a-job-when-you-have-no-experience/" rel="nofollow">http://www.neilsattin.com/blog/2007/10/personal-development-how-to-get-a-job-when-you-have-no-experience/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/29/experience/#comment-845</link>
		<author>John</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to be taken seriously, you're going to need to put a little more effort into proof-reading your posts. The number of spelling errors and typos in this post has got to be embarrassing... no?

p.s. I hope the Yanks get Obama across the line, too. I think he's a giant of a man. And... the first black president? Go America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to be taken seriously, you&#8217;re going to need to put a little more effort into proof-reading your posts. The number of spelling errors and typos in this post has got to be embarrassing&#8230; no?</p>
<p>p.s. I hope the Yanks get Obama across the line, too. I think he&#8217;s a giant of a man. And&#8230; the first black president? Go America!</p>
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