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		<title>By: Daniel Reeves</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/16/ron-paul-rejoinder/#comment-842</link>
		<author>Daniel Reeves</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a pocket Constitution. I've read it cover to cover twice, and I carry it around half the time I go out. Do I love my Constitution? Yeah.

Your post reeks of pseudo-intellectualism for the sole reason that you are skeptical because of the age of the Constitution. Suggestion: why don't you goddamn READ THE THING and tell me what's wrong with it specifically? Otherwise your argument holds absolutely no basis. Redundant skepticism at its finest.

The Constitution is a great doctrine because it protects FUNDAMENTAL rights. Rights that are timeless to freedom and humanity. While many clauses have been removed by tacked on Amendments, there are still a few problems with it today, yeah. Article 1 sections 8-10 have a few clauses I don't like (the whole thing about post offices and roads and some bits on taxation, mainly). But really, ignore that and it's a really great foundation for our really great government. You are being nothing but a skeptic for something that is clearly under your nose. Why don't you go read the damn thing and tell me what's specifically wrong with it instead of being skeptical in both this post and that other you linked to? What are these pragmatic whatevers you rant on about specifically?

Oh, and something really stuck out on that rant you linked to:

"If no legal document confers a right (e.g. to smoke) then no such right exists."

Thank God you're not a lawyer, because someone could merely whisper, "Amendment IX," and you'd be begging for mercy.

Maybe I should start a blog called The War On Bullshit. I'll start by refuting what you say about the Constitution.

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"I argued that this was no longer true, since the US has such military dominance. [...] The question is, do you think that a bunch of rednecks with semis could orchestrate an armed revolt against a leader who controls the military? You know, those guys with the tanks and the F15s and such? You have got to be kidding."

Perhaps because of gun restrictions this would be true, and--holy shit--that's exactly what he's against! I can't own an automatic gun or guns many would classify as "assault rifles" (the term is vague and was coined for the mass public, it really doesn't describe any specific guns and has no true definition. It's like describing a site as a Web 2.0 site or music as Indie). Maybe if I had the right to own a tank (if I actually had a place to put it!), that would help.

Getting rid of guns is a slippery slope to a police state. Not to say that the government gets rid of our guns to get more control. No. That's just a paranoid thing to say. Total gun abolition has been done in "good faith" in England and Australia (I quote that because I question the validity of gun abolition laws being good faith when there's a lot of support that says completely disarming the people causes more crime and problems. Approaching an issue single-minded isn't in such good faith because it is intellectual dishonesty).

Enough of my bantering. I'd suggest reading this:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/121979.html

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"In a comment on the last post, Jordon pointed out that “Paul has said that federal officials changing the definition of marriage to allow same-sex marriage is ‘an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty.’” That sounds pretty ant-gay to me…"

I don't agree with how he views on the laws concerning gay marriage, but he's not really that anti-gay. See, Ron Paul is all about localized power. Ron Paul would rather have states define marriage. Yeah, he's said that, Google it or something &#62;__&#62;;. He's not anti-gay at all, he's just pro-let-states-make-the-law. He sticks to that principle above (almost?) all others.

Related: he's somewhat against Don't Ask Don't Tell when homosexuality becomes disruptive, but he applies that same "disruptive" principle to heterosexuality. Paul is somewhat-arguably if not lucidly about as anti-gay as Obama, who opposes same-sex marriage. Not sure if you support Obama or not (hey, he's really not.... err, well, he's certainly much better than all of the other front runners), but if you do, I just thought I'd bring that to mind.

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Paul definitely isn't the perfect candidate even to me. But out of what we have, he's the most libertarian and consistent of all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a pocket Constitution. I&#8217;ve read it cover to cover twice, and I carry it around half the time I go out. Do I love my Constitution? Yeah.</p>
<p>Your post reeks of pseudo-intellectualism for the sole reason that you are skeptical because of the age of the Constitution. Suggestion: why don&#8217;t you goddamn READ THE THING and tell me what&#8217;s wrong with it specifically? Otherwise your argument holds absolutely no basis. Redundant skepticism at its finest.</p>
<p>The Constitution is a great doctrine because it protects FUNDAMENTAL rights. Rights that are timeless to freedom and humanity. While many clauses have been removed by tacked on Amendments, there are still a few problems with it today, yeah. Article 1 sections 8-10 have a few clauses I don&#8217;t like (the whole thing about post offices and roads and some bits on taxation, mainly). But really, ignore that and it&#8217;s a really great foundation for our really great government. You are being nothing but a skeptic for something that is clearly under your nose. Why don&#8217;t you go read the damn thing and tell me what&#8217;s specifically wrong with it instead of being skeptical in both this post and that other you linked to? What are these pragmatic whatevers you rant on about specifically?</p>
<p>Oh, and something really stuck out on that rant you linked to:</p>
<p>&#8220;If no legal document confers a right (e.g. to smoke) then no such right exists.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank God you&#8217;re not a lawyer, because someone could merely whisper, &#8220;Amendment IX,&#8221; and you&#8217;d be begging for mercy.</p>
<p>Maybe I should start a blog called The War On Bullshit. I&#8217;ll start by refuting what you say about the Constitution.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;I argued that this was no longer true, since the US has such military dominance. [&#8230;] The question is, do you think that a bunch of rednecks with semis could orchestrate an armed revolt against a leader who controls the military? You know, those guys with the tanks and the F15s and such? You have got to be kidding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps because of gun restrictions this would be true, and&#8211;holy shit&#8211;that&#8217;s exactly what he&#8217;s against! I can&#8217;t own an automatic gun or guns many would classify as &#8220;assault rifles&#8221; (the term is vague and was coined for the mass public, it really doesn&#8217;t describe any specific guns and has no true definition. It&#8217;s like describing a site as a Web 2.0 site or music as Indie). Maybe if I had the right to own a tank (if I actually had a place to put it!), that would help.</p>
<p>Getting rid of guns is a slippery slope to a police state. Not to say that the government gets rid of our guns to get more control. No. That&#8217;s just a paranoid thing to say. Total gun abolition has been done in &#8220;good faith&#8221; in England and Australia (I quote that because I question the validity of gun abolition laws being good faith when there&#8217;s a lot of support that says completely disarming the people causes more crime and problems. Approaching an issue single-minded isn&#8217;t in such good faith because it is intellectual dishonesty).</p>
<p>Enough of my bantering. I&#8217;d suggest reading this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/121979.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.reason.com/news/show/121979.html</a></p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;In a comment on the last post, Jordon pointed out that “Paul has said that federal officials changing the definition of marriage to allow same-sex marriage is ‘an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty.’” That sounds pretty ant-gay to me…&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with how he views on the laws concerning gay marriage, but he&#8217;s not really that anti-gay. See, Ron Paul is all about localized power. Ron Paul would rather have states define marriage. Yeah, he&#8217;s said that, Google it or something &gt;__&gt;;. He&#8217;s not anti-gay at all, he&#8217;s just pro-let-states-make-the-law. He sticks to that principle above (almost?) all others.</p>
<p>Related: he&#8217;s somewhat against Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell when homosexuality becomes disruptive, but he applies that same &#8220;disruptive&#8221; principle to heterosexuality. Paul is somewhat-arguably if not lucidly about as anti-gay as Obama, who opposes same-sex marriage. Not sure if you support Obama or not (hey, he&#8217;s really not&#8230;. err, well, he&#8217;s certainly much better than all of the other front runners), but if you do, I just thought I&#8217;d bring that to mind.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>Paul definitely isn&#8217;t the perfect candidate even to me. But out of what we have, he&#8217;s the most libertarian and consistent of all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/16/ron-paul-rejoinder/#comment-833</link>
		<author>Alex</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, have a glass of poison, you bullshiters!</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/16/ron-paul-rejoinder/#comment-819</link>
		<author>Dan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MacGregor Campbell
"All those tanks and F15s are sure doing a heck of a job in Iraq right?"

Theres a difference between explosives and AK's and your .22 semi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MacGregor Campbell<br />
&#8220;All those tanks and F15s are sure doing a heck of a job in Iraq right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Theres a difference between explosives and AK&#8217;s and your .22 semi</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/16/ron-paul-rejoinder/#comment-810</link>
		<author>Matt</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kee wrote, "If priests, ministers, and/or rabbis, etc, don’t want to spiritually bind a same-sex couple, they shouldn’t be obligated to"

Totally right. I know that was not the overall point of your post but just want to touch on that. Isin't there supposed to be a SEPERATION of church and state? In a million years the government  should not be able to decide upon that kind of thing. 

I happan to know that the rabbi at my local temple (who is a very liberal guy BTW) would never marry two men and call it a marriage in the eyes of god. That is his perogative, part of being a priest/rabbi whatever is that they all interperet the word of god differently so different guys have different rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kee wrote, &#8220;If priests, ministers, and/or rabbis, etc, don’t want to spiritually bind a same-sex couple, they shouldn’t be obligated to&#8221;</p>
<p>Totally right. I know that was not the overall point of your post but just want to touch on that. Isin&#8217;t there supposed to be a SEPERATION of church and state? In a million years the government  should not be able to decide upon that kind of thing. </p>
<p>I happan to know that the rabbi at my local temple (who is a very liberal guy BTW) would never marry two men and call it a marriage in the eyes of god. That is his perogative, part of being a priest/rabbi whatever is that they all interperet the word of god differently so different guys have different rules.</p>
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		<title>By: MacGregor Campbell</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/16/ron-paul-rejoinder/#comment-809</link>
		<author>MacGregor Campbell</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/09/16/ron-paul-rejoinder/#comment-809</guid>
		<description>"I completely agree that the US could become a police state or a de facto dictatorship for that matter. The question is, do you think that a bunch of rednecks with semis could orchestrate an armed revolt against a leader who controls the military? You know, those guys with the tanks and the F15s and such? You have got to be kidding."

All those tanks and F15s are sure doing a heck of a job in Iraq right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I completely agree that the US could become a police state or a de facto dictatorship for that matter. The question is, do you think that a bunch of rednecks with semis could orchestrate an armed revolt against a leader who controls the military? You know, those guys with the tanks and the F15s and such? You have got to be kidding.&#8221;</p>
<p>All those tanks and F15s are sure doing a heck of a job in Iraq right?</p>
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