Comments on: Three people arrested for using unsecured wireless internet, outdoors! http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/ Take No Prisoners Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:38:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Mortgage Interest Only http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-1906 Mortgage Interest Only Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:50:03 +0000 http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-1906 Doesn't this just reflect the state of the UK today. Personally, I think that we have too many police deployed in low risk areas, probably too many police anyway and too many social workers. Everyone I know is a social worker! All they do is take kids, who are not bad but bored, on day trips out that costs the UK taxpayers millions. This prevents crime so why have so many police. This country really is falling apart, the sooner we get tougher and get rid of this ridiculous government, the better! Doesn’t this just reflect the state of the UK today. Personally, I think that we have too many police deployed in low risk areas, probably too many police anyway and too many social workers. Everyone I know is a social worker! All they do is take kids, who are not bad but bored, on day trips out that costs the UK taxpayers millions. This prevents crime so why have so many police. This country really is falling apart, the sooner we get tougher and get rid of this ridiculous government, the better!

]]> By: J4M1E http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-1542 J4M1E Wed, 21 May 2008 00:02:50 +0000 http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-1542 I have to agree with dave.... if the person who is paying for the service dont secure it then what exactly is being stolen..... you could knock on their door and tell them your not happy with them beaming wifi signals through your living room....all it takes is a "click" "click" and its secure... if someone was to crack the wep encription then it is theft in my eyes.... but its like leaving your football in the front garden, the kids from next door borrow it, play with it for a while and return it......what would happed if a public phone box broke down and allowed ppl to make free calls? would it be theft to use it? surely not if the device allowed you access.. my internet is unlimited and i very rearly use it to its limits....i cant say i would be to bothered if someonw wanted to use my conection... the ppl like Angus Hardie who pay per gig should have been advised by the company that provided it to secure it..otherwise i think its their fault for sending the signal to unauthorised computer devices.. all the info that would of been needed from them to do it would of been the router code example "192.168.0.1" A while ago the goverment sided with mobile networks over contract debt, networks like orange and vodafone.... although this has nothing to do with broadband i think its very similar to how the law has been used here.... communications act?? this law was passed in 2003 or something like that.... its being missused on a massive scale,,, i think if someone was up in court for this offence then i think a good solicitor could get them off.... For the amount of money we pay in taxes, internet should be free for everyone..... i think every street light should be fitted with a device that assigns any device that wishes to conect a uniqe IP just like a router.... i know there are security issues with this,,, but the amout of money virgin media , bt and sky are making out of the avarage joe is way to high...... it probably cost me a month what "nasa" pay to send info to their satalites in a year.... We get ripped off... If they could charge us for oxigen they would... they would have meters fitted to our faces just for profit..... I have to agree with dave…. if the person who is paying for the service dont secure it then what exactly is being stolen….. you could knock on their door and tell them your not happy with them beaming wifi signals through your living room….all it takes is a “click” “click” and its secure… if someone was to crack the wep encription then it is theft in my eyes…. but its like leaving your football in the front garden, the kids from next door borrow it, play with it for a while and return it……what would happed if a public phone box broke down and allowed ppl to make free calls? would it be theft to use it? surely not if the device allowed you access.. my internet is unlimited and i very rearly use it to its limits….i cant say i would be to bothered if someonw wanted to use my conection… the ppl like Angus Hardie who pay per gig should have been advised by the company that provided it to secure it..otherwise i think its their fault for sending the signal to unauthorised computer devices.. all the info that would of been needed from them to do it would of been the router code example “192.168.0.1″ A while ago the goverment sided with mobile networks over contract debt, networks like orange and vodafone…. although this has nothing to do with broadband i think its very similar to how the law has been used here…. communications act?? this law was passed in 2003 or something like that…. its being missused on a massive scale,,, i think if someone was up in court for this offence then i think a good solicitor could get them off….

For the amount of money we pay in taxes, internet should be free for everyone….. i think every street light should be fitted with a device that assigns any device that wishes to conect a uniqe IP just like a router…. i know there are security issues with this,,, but the amout of money virgin media , bt and sky are making out of the avarage joe is way to high…… it probably cost me a month what “nasa” pay to send info to their satalites in a year…. We get ripped off…

If they could charge us for oxigen they would… they would have meters fitted to our faces just for profit…..

]]> By: Angus Hardie http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-697 Angus Hardie Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:03:46 +0000 http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-697 Hi, One point to note is that in the UK there are quite a lot of broadband ISPs that charge by the amount of data transferred. My own for instance charges me a fee if I exceed a certain number of gigabytes transferred each month, but there are others who actually have a per GB charge. (For instance £2/GB or £3/GB transferred) While I know nothing about the actual case, there is a distinct possibility that there was a real financial loss to the owner of the access point. Though obviously it should have been correctly secured. The fact that something should have been locked doesn't affect the fact that might have been stolen. Just a thought to think about anyway... Hi,

One point to note is that in the UK there are quite a lot of broadband ISPs that charge by the amount of data transferred. My own for instance charges me a fee if I exceed a certain number of gigabytes transferred each month, but there are others who actually have a per GB charge. (For instance £2/GB or £3/GB transferred)

While I know nothing about the actual case, there is a distinct possibility that there was a real financial loss to the owner of the access point.
Though obviously it should have been correctly secured. The fact that something should have been locked doesn’t affect the fact that might have been stolen.

Just a thought to think about anyway…

]]> By: Angelika http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-694 Angelika Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:20:46 +0000 http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-694 Dave, I was making a point that if I pay for something it is mine and I don't want any unauthorized individuals to use it, whether it is protected by a password, key or other security measures. I am not throwing my wireless connection at other people to use it and it should not be taken just because it is unsecured. Dave, I was making a point that if I pay for something it is mine and I don’t want any unauthorized individuals to use it, whether it is protected by a password, key or other security measures. I am not throwing my wireless connection at other people to use it and it should not be taken just because it is unsecured.

]]> By: Dave http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-691 Dave Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:14:43 +0000 http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/08/23/wireless/#comment-691 Your analogy about someone coming into your house doesn't make any sense. These people are on the street and the signal is being beamed to them. If I was on the street and someone tossed a sandwich at me and as I started to eat it they came back and told me that I had stole it, nobody would believe them. Now, if I walk into the business and plug into their RJ-45 jacks in the lobby, your analogy would be correct and yes, in that case I would consider it stealing. Your analogy about someone coming into your house doesn’t make any sense. These people are on the street and the signal is being beamed to them. If I was on the street and someone tossed a sandwich at me and as I started to eat it they came back and told me that I had stole it, nobody would believe them. Now, if I walk into the business and plug into their RJ-45 jacks in the lobby, your analogy would be correct and yes, in that case I would consider it stealing.

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