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		<title>By: The Bullshit of School Grading and Marks &#124; mJaynEa</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bullshit of School Grading and Marks &#124; mJaynEa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/07/24/bad-grades/comment-page-3/#comment-1686</link>
		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people who believe grades don&#039;t matter had poor grades themselves.  Should have studies harder in college guys!</description>
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		<title>By: In Hoc Signo Vinces</title>
		<link>http://thewaronbullshit.com/2007/07/24/bad-grades/comment-page-3/#comment-1664</link>
		<dc:creator>In Hoc Signo Vinces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to put my 10 cents in... I really appreciate the work of Mr. Wolfe - this article was articulated and substantiated very well and made several excellent points. Reality check ladies and gents, the U.S. education system is going down the tube - something is severely wrong with it. My belief is that it needs to catch up to the &quot;information processing speed&quot; of the modern student. Kids are bored in classrooms because the systems are ancient; it worked back in the day because technology was limited. But to go back to the points made in this article, to say grades are NOT arbitrary or objective is completely illogical for many reasons articulated in this piece. It all makes sense and I applaud your work Mr. Wolfe.

And as a side note, I love how a few of those who commented negatively on this article, a certain &quot;Smarter than you guys moron!!&quot; for example, is quick to express how intelligent he is and how all you have to do is &quot;Stop being so ignorant and idiotic and posting such stupid posts! It’ll only make you people look worst than how you can be on your report book! Dumbass!!&quot; Cheers to this guy for explicitly making several glaringly obvious grammatical errors and using extensive colorful language to express his disapproval/dismissal of this article - can&#039;t help but think how this guy clearly is a product of good grades in America. Follow the rubrics and you&#039;ll be smart like &quot;Smarter than you guys moron!!&quot; (By the way, even his username is grammatically incorrect).

Cheers!

An American Political Science Student
Ivy League, NJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to put my 10 cents in&#8230; I really appreciate the work of Mr. Wolfe &#8211; this article was articulated and substantiated very well and made several excellent points. Reality check ladies and gents, the U.S. education system is going down the tube &#8211; something is severely wrong with it. My belief is that it needs to catch up to the &#8220;information processing speed&#8221; of the modern student. Kids are bored in classrooms because the systems are ancient; it worked back in the day because technology was limited. But to go back to the points made in this article, to say grades are NOT arbitrary or objective is completely illogical for many reasons articulated in this piece. It all makes sense and I applaud your work Mr. Wolfe.</p>
<p>And as a side note, I love how a few of those who commented negatively on this article, a certain &#8220;Smarter than you guys moron!!&#8221; for example, is quick to express how intelligent he is and how all you have to do is &#8220;Stop being so ignorant and idiotic and posting such stupid posts! It’ll only make you people look worst than how you can be on your report book! Dumbass!!&#8221; Cheers to this guy for explicitly making several glaringly obvious grammatical errors and using extensive colorful language to express his disapproval/dismissal of this article &#8211; can&#8217;t help but think how this guy clearly is a product of good grades in America. Follow the rubrics and you&#8217;ll be smart like &#8220;Smarter than you guys moron!!&#8221; (By the way, even his username is grammatically incorrect).</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>An American Political Science Student<br />
Ivy League, NJ</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 04:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting. I understand that the current testing system is flawed but how does an educator know a student has learned the material? There has to be some way to measure that and test are, in my opinion, the easiest way for an educator to measure both themselves and the student.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting. I understand that the current testing system is flawed but how does an educator know a student has learned the material? There has to be some way to measure that and test are, in my opinion, the easiest way for an educator to measure both themselves and the student.</p>
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		<title>By: Barock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 00:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I was mad about a grade given to me this last week in my graduate studies and do not think I am biased.

I am writing for any body in the future to use such honest information for research or alert themselves.
This is gradute study program and I was on the op notch until final project paper out of 70 I scored 69 and final project was out of 30 and I prepared my paper and submiited two days before dead line.

Relaxed I did not log in back until begining of next week which is end of semester. When I log in to check I found email says I did not get your final paper I was shocked and went to submiited documents and it was there and resumitted the paper again and I explained the professor that there might be error on system...she did not answer me five days and kkep on emailing her. Finally she said she do not give me any credit because I did not submit the paper.

I was mad like crazy because I know I have done the asignment and submiited it and the professor was just an evil bastard not to reconsider the grade..

Now my whole point is I am certain and I am 100% sure that I was right but there are lots of so called professors who are focused to bitch on every thing and want to make you look bad..do not always think all professors are intellectuals it is just like whn you go downton and hop in a taxi if Taxi driver knows you are guest to a town they just rip you off..professors are scams like taxi drivers if they find a little hole they prefer to dig in to the negative than build some one positively....and do not make a mistke this is common in University professors....they are bunch of bastards with out common sense who just have the degree caled PhD or Profeesorship.

I have been in teaching for 10 years in College I spend 16-18 hours talking to students to make sure I am in same page with them rather than jusge them on one time grading and my students were my all time best friends...I still have the feeling of friendship untill now more than the money I earned teaching...

All professors are not same, teaching is also about making others understand the subject not grading them A....F. Education in America is one of the worst systems..every thing is sold in market...why even go to school now a days....Especially the online schools please watch out...not worth it to put your hard earned cash on online schools...it is so joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I was mad about a grade given to me this last week in my graduate studies and do not think I am biased.</p>
<p>I am writing for any body in the future to use such honest information for research or alert themselves.<br />
This is gradute study program and I was on the op notch until final project paper out of 70 I scored 69 and final project was out of 30 and I prepared my paper and submiited two days before dead line.</p>
<p>Relaxed I did not log in back until begining of next week which is end of semester. When I log in to check I found email says I did not get your final paper I was shocked and went to submiited documents and it was there and resumitted the paper again and I explained the professor that there might be error on system&#8230;she did not answer me five days and kkep on emailing her. Finally she said she do not give me any credit because I did not submit the paper.</p>
<p>I was mad like crazy because I know I have done the asignment and submiited it and the professor was just an evil bastard not to reconsider the grade..</p>
<p>Now my whole point is I am certain and I am 100% sure that I was right but there are lots of so called professors who are focused to bitch on every thing and want to make you look bad..do not always think all professors are intellectuals it is just like whn you go downton and hop in a taxi if Taxi driver knows you are guest to a town they just rip you off..professors are scams like taxi drivers if they find a little hole they prefer to dig in to the negative than build some one positively&#8230;.and do not make a mistke this is common in University professors&#8230;.they are bunch of bastards with out common sense who just have the degree caled PhD or Profeesorship.</p>
<p>I have been in teaching for 10 years in College I spend 16-18 hours talking to students to make sure I am in same page with them rather than jusge them on one time grading and my students were my all time best friends&#8230;I still have the feeling of friendship untill now more than the money I earned teaching&#8230;</p>
<p>All professors are not same, teaching is also about making others understand the subject not grading them A&#8230;.F. Education in America is one of the worst systems..every thing is sold in market&#8230;why even go to school now a days&#8230;.Especially the online schools please watch out&#8230;not worth it to put your hard earned cash on online schools&#8230;it is so joke.</p>
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		<title>By: peteacher56</title>
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		<dc:creator>peteacher56</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am physical education teacher. I came across your article and I must say I agree with the content and message it provides. Basically, in terms of testing and assessment, tests/assessments should measure what they are suppose to be measuring. Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Sadly, especially at the College level, although their are many brilliant professors out there that are quite knowledgeable in the subject matter they teach, they themselves have never went through a teacher education program. Some professors really don&#039;t have the best strategies for teaching material to students and assessing them on that same material. 

Many times, a great number of professors will rely upon poorly written multiple choice tests to use as evidence of how students are learning the material in their courses. To make matters worse, some of these professors will make 60% or higher of your final grade in the class on how well you scored on your course exams.   

For those interested, I would suggest looking at this website:

http://www.youblisher.com/p/9375-Multiple-Choice-Tests-Thinking-Handcuffs/

No Partial Credit

&quot;Even if a student has some knowledge of a question, they receive no credit for knowing that information if they select the wrong answer. Free response questions may allow a test taker to demonstrate their understanding of a subject and receive partial credit. Even carefully constructed exams that reflect very detailed curriculums can be used to improperly assess students. If an exam was created to carefully reflect a certain curriculum, you might see only one question that covers a specific outcome. What if the student did in fact understand that outcome but for any number of reasons, they get the question wrong? That means that this test would report that the student understood nothing of that concept-which most likely would be wholly misleading and untrue. How often can a teacher honestly report that a student understands nothing?&quot;

This passage is quite critical. From when I was in college, this is the error I seen many college professors commit over and over again. It was bad enough my classmates and I had to memorize so much useless information to get where we wanted to go in our chosen professions because of the way many professors relied upon multiple choice testing for their assessment practices, but they also struggled to write quality tests that actually reflected a clear correct answer included with the dis- tractor questions. So many mis-leading questions among answers choices A, B, C, and D where quite often, two of the answer choice where correct, but one answer was just a little more correct in the eyes of the professor. And, you got no partial credit for being partial right. Therefore, you might have understood some of the material (maybe even in the whole concept/question) but because how it was phrased in the answer choices if you selected the wrong answer the teacher was looking for, you get the whole multiple choice question wrong. 

A learning experience I have learned from college is if I ever give any multiple choice test (and arguably we don&#039;t do a lot of this cognitive assessing in a gym) I give very careful consideration to the question being constructed. 

Just my 2 cents in one area among many areas where education has a number of flaws and problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am physical education teacher. I came across your article and I must say I agree with the content and message it provides. Basically, in terms of testing and assessment, tests/assessments should measure what they are suppose to be measuring. Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Sadly, especially at the College level, although their are many brilliant professors out there that are quite knowledgeable in the subject matter they teach, they themselves have never went through a teacher education program. Some professors really don&#8217;t have the best strategies for teaching material to students and assessing them on that same material. </p>
<p>Many times, a great number of professors will rely upon poorly written multiple choice tests to use as evidence of how students are learning the material in their courses. To make matters worse, some of these professors will make 60% or higher of your final grade in the class on how well you scored on your course exams.   </p>
<p>For those interested, I would suggest looking at this website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youblisher.com/p/9375-Multiple-Choice-Tests-Thinking-Handcuffs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.youblisher.com/p/9375-Multiple-Choice-Tests-Thinking-Handcuffs/</a></p>
<p>No Partial Credit</p>
<p>&#8220;Even if a student has some knowledge of a question, they receive no credit for knowing that information if they select the wrong answer. Free response questions may allow a test taker to demonstrate their understanding of a subject and receive partial credit. Even carefully constructed exams that reflect very detailed curriculums can be used to improperly assess students. If an exam was created to carefully reflect a certain curriculum, you might see only one question that covers a specific outcome. What if the student did in fact understand that outcome but for any number of reasons, they get the question wrong? That means that this test would report that the student understood nothing of that concept-which most likely would be wholly misleading and untrue. How often can a teacher honestly report that a student understands nothing?&#8221;</p>
<p>This passage is quite critical. From when I was in college, this is the error I seen many college professors commit over and over again. It was bad enough my classmates and I had to memorize so much useless information to get where we wanted to go in our chosen professions because of the way many professors relied upon multiple choice testing for their assessment practices, but they also struggled to write quality tests that actually reflected a clear correct answer included with the dis- tractor questions. So many mis-leading questions among answers choices A, B, C, and D where quite often, two of the answer choice where correct, but one answer was just a little more correct in the eyes of the professor. And, you got no partial credit for being partial right. Therefore, you might have understood some of the material (maybe even in the whole concept/question) but because how it was phrased in the answer choices if you selected the wrong answer the teacher was looking for, you get the whole multiple choice question wrong. </p>
<p>A learning experience I have learned from college is if I ever give any multiple choice test (and arguably we don&#8217;t do a lot of this cognitive assessing in a gym) I give very careful consideration to the question being constructed. </p>
<p>Just my 2 cents in one area among many areas where education has a number of flaws and problems.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 00:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i meant, you isolate yourself WITH bad marks, not WITHOUT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i meant, you isolate yourself WITH bad marks, not WITHOUT.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 00:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bad grades do mean doom in many disciplines. want to work at mckinsey and co.? you better be at the top of the class. period. so, you isolate yourself without poor marks. there is no way around it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bad grades do mean doom in many disciplines. want to work at mckinsey and co.? you better be at the top of the class. period. so, you isolate yourself without poor marks. there is no way around it.</p>
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		<title>By: Links! &#171; Think of pretty things</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links! &#171; Think of pretty things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 9 reasons why grades don&#8217;t mean squat. And a webcomic which roughly captures my reaction. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: APPRECIATIVE</title>
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		<dc:creator>APPRECIATIVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 03:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for putting the time and effort in writing this. I was in the midst of a break down concerning why on earth I&#039;m getting such average grades for back-breaking work! I spend hours upon hours, weekdays and weekends without seeing friends or doing anything of leisure, while the people next to me who spend the entire weekend drinking and throwing up on themselves and spend half the amount of time and effort on the same project gets the same grade as me or better! I sacrifice so much and get so little in return.

Again, thanks so much for this. I was so close to finding a gun and aiming it at my head. The education system sucks, especially for college, its expensive, and can kill the spirit and creativity of a human being. 

For the idiots who are posting negative/disrespectful comments...what is the point? You must also lack in areas of your life (Ugly? Abused? Friendless? Bullied, perhaps?) Take your damaged self someplace else to act out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for putting the time and effort in writing this. I was in the midst of a break down concerning why on earth I&#8217;m getting such average grades for back-breaking work! I spend hours upon hours, weekdays and weekends without seeing friends or doing anything of leisure, while the people next to me who spend the entire weekend drinking and throwing up on themselves and spend half the amount of time and effort on the same project gets the same grade as me or better! I sacrifice so much and get so little in return.</p>
<p>Again, thanks so much for this. I was so close to finding a gun and aiming it at my head. The education system sucks, especially for college, its expensive, and can kill the spirit and creativity of a human being. </p>
<p>For the idiots who are posting negative/disrespectful comments&#8230;what is the point? You must also lack in areas of your life (Ugly? Abused? Friendless? Bullied, perhaps?) Take your damaged self someplace else to act out.</p>
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